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	<title>Comments on: Russia: If we can&#8217;t own the pipeline, we&#8217;ll control the faucet</title>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Russia, Austria: Nabucco and Gazprom</title>
		<link>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Russia, Austria: Nabucco and Gazprom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics writes about the news of Gazprom&#8217;s involvement in the Nabucco gas pipeline project - which was originally supposed to be the EU&#8217;s &#8220;attempt to build an alternative to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Politics writes about the news of Gazprom&#8217;s involvement in the Nabucco gas pipeline project - which was originally supposed to be the EU&#8217;s &#8220;attempt to build an alternative to the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hell with Putin, sombody kill that motherfucker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hell with Putin, sombody kill that motherfucker!</p>
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		<title>By: Whitehall</title>
		<link>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitehall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in California, we're seeing the same setup to make us dependent on Russian gas in LNG form.

We had two solid proposals for importation terminals.  One is now working and is planning on doubling it's capacity.  However, it was across the border in Mexico and would import Saklin Island gas, the same stuff that Putin effectively naturalized. 

The alternative was to be an offshore terminal off Malibu.  It was to import Austrialian LNG but was demonstrated against by all the Hollywood liberal celebrities.

With state politicians preventing any alternative fuel for electricity but natural gas, we will soon be in the situation where the Russian government will determine whether or not the lights stay on it California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in California, we&#8217;re seeing the same setup to make us dependent on Russian gas in LNG form.</p>
<p>We had two solid proposals for importation terminals.  One is now working and is planning on doubling it&#8217;s capacity.  However, it was across the border in Mexico and would import Saklin Island gas, the same stuff that Putin effectively naturalized. </p>
<p>The alternative was to be an offshore terminal off Malibu.  It was to import Austrialian LNG but was demonstrated against by all the Hollywood liberal celebrities.</p>
<p>With state politicians preventing any alternative fuel for electricity but natural gas, we will soon be in the situation where the Russian government will determine whether or not the lights stay on it California.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Ganske</title>
		<link>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Ganske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-29</guid>
		<description>Can someone explain to me why:
1) Hiking natural gas prices on countries that expect cheap gas simply because pipelines cross their territory is "energy imperialism".  Wasn't promoting conservation supposed to be a good thing?  And how do these critics propose that Russia get higher prices without threatening to shut off the taps?  Have EU envoys ask pretty please on their behalf?

2) If senior politicians in neighboring countries like Ukraine have nicknames like "the Gas Princess" (Tymoshenko) wouldn't you want to get direct routes to your best customers (i.e. Germany)?

http://www.russiablog.org/2007/01/money_not_geopolitics_drives_r.php
My thoughts on the subject here.

"It is clear to the Russians that they can no longer afford to subsidize their neighbors with cheap natural gas while continuing to meet Russiaŕ€™s export obligations to the rest of the world. For months, the Russian state-owned gas monopoly Gazprom has telegraphed its resolve to make every former Soviet republic ŕ€“ whether they are Russian allies, like Armenia, or less friendly states, like Georgia ŕ€“ start paying higher prices. The price Belarus reluctantly agreed to on New Yearŕ€™s Eve, $105 per thousand cubic meters, is still just half of what Western Europeans pay. After experiencing a similar price hike last New Year, Ukraineŕ€™s economy still grew at more than 6% in 2006."

"Gazpromŕ€™s critics can point to the fact that the Russians are raising rates on their neighbors while still subsidizing their own industries at home. However, Gazprom is restricted by Russian law from raising domestic gas rates above one quarter of the export price. Furthermore, Russia is hardly the only major energy producer in the world to subsidize its people with cheaper electricity and heat. Nonetheless, Gazprom is planning gradual price increases beginning next year with the goal of doubling domestic natural gas rates by 2010."

"Arguing that Moscowŕ€™s neighbors should avoid relying on Russia as an energy supplier at all costs often leads commentators to ignore economic reality. For example, one commentator recently wrote in Newsweek International that Azerbaijan can easily purchase gas from Iran instead of agreeing to Moscowŕ€™s exorbitant price ($200 per thousand cubic meters - about what Gazprom customers in Germany and Poland pay)."

"Unfortunately, the author of the Newsweek piece forgot to mention that last month Iran had to suspend its already meager natural gas exports to Turkey. The Iranian Oil Ministry blamed a cold winter for an unexpected spike in domestic natural gas demand ŕ€“ but everywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere, oil and gas prices are falling due to one of the warmest winters on record. Yet somehow, in spite of the increasingly evident decay of Iranŕ€™s oil and gas infrastructure, the Islamic Republic is still viewed by some commentators as a more reliable supplier to the Caucuses republics than Russia."

"In North America, the equivalent to this absurd position would be insisting that Mexico seek energy independence from the U.S. by relying instead on Hugo Chavezŕ€™s Venezuela. Like Iran, Venezuelaŕ€™s oil production has declined in recent years due to political instability and neglect. Meanwhile, last summer Russia quietly surpassed Saudi Arabia to become the worldŕ€™s largest oil producer and is currently investing tens of billions into developing vast gas fields in the Arctic."

"When it comes to Russian energy, why do so many American politicians and certain editorial boards in Washington engage in wishful thinking to support their position of ŕ€śanybody but Moscowŕ€ť? Could it be that the politics of Russian energy in the West are still tied to the mental baggage leftover from the Cold War?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain to me why:<br />
1) Hiking natural gas prices on countries that expect cheap gas simply because pipelines cross their territory is &#8220;energy imperialism&#8221;.  Wasn&#8217;t promoting conservation supposed to be a good thing?  And how do these critics propose that Russia get higher prices without threatening to shut off the taps?  Have EU envoys ask pretty please on their behalf?</p>
<p>2) If senior politicians in neighboring countries like Ukraine have nicknames like &#8220;the Gas Princess&#8221; (Tymoshenko) wouldn&#8217;t you want to get direct routes to your best customers (i.e. Germany)?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.russiablog.org/2007/01/money_not_geopolitics_drives_r.php" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.russiablog.org');">http://www.russiablog.org/2007/01/money_not_geopolitics_drives_r.php</a><br />
My thoughts on the subject here.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is clear to the Russians that they can no longer afford to subsidize their neighbors with cheap natural gas while continuing to meet Russiaŕ€™s export obligations to the rest of the world. For months, the Russian state-owned gas monopoly Gazprom has telegraphed its resolve to make every former Soviet republic ŕ€“ whether they are Russian allies, like Armenia, or less friendly states, like Georgia ŕ€“ start paying higher prices. The price Belarus reluctantly agreed to on New Yearŕ€™s Eve, $105 per thousand cubic meters, is still just half of what Western Europeans pay. After experiencing a similar price hike last New Year, Ukraineŕ€™s economy still grew at more than 6% in 2006.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Gazpromŕ€™s critics can point to the fact that the Russians are raising rates on their neighbors while still subsidizing their own industries at home. However, Gazprom is restricted by Russian law from raising domestic gas rates above one quarter of the export price. Furthermore, Russia is hardly the only major energy producer in the world to subsidize its people with cheaper electricity and heat. Nonetheless, Gazprom is planning gradual price increases beginning next year with the goal of doubling domestic natural gas rates by 2010.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Arguing that Moscowŕ€™s neighbors should avoid relying on Russia as an energy supplier at all costs often leads commentators to ignore economic reality. For example, one commentator recently wrote in Newsweek International that Azerbaijan can easily purchase gas from Iran instead of agreeing to Moscowŕ€™s exorbitant price ($200 per thousand cubic meters - about what Gazprom customers in Germany and Poland pay).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, the author of the Newsweek piece forgot to mention that last month Iran had to suspend its already meager natural gas exports to Turkey. The Iranian Oil Ministry blamed a cold winter for an unexpected spike in domestic natural gas demand ŕ€“ but everywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere, oil and gas prices are falling due to one of the warmest winters on record. Yet somehow, in spite of the increasingly evident decay of Iranŕ€™s oil and gas infrastructure, the Islamic Republic is still viewed by some commentators as a more reliable supplier to the Caucuses republics than Russia.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In North America, the equivalent to this absurd position would be insisting that Mexico seek energy independence from the U.S. by relying instead on Hugo Chavezŕ€™s Venezuela. Like Iran, Venezuelaŕ€™s oil production has declined in recent years due to political instability and neglect. Meanwhile, last summer Russia quietly surpassed Saudi Arabia to become the worldŕ€™s largest oil producer and is currently investing tens of billions into developing vast gas fields in the Arctic.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;When it comes to Russian energy, why do so many American politicians and certain editorial boards in Washington engage in wishful thinking to support their position of ŕ€śanybody but Moscowŕ€ť? Could it be that the politics of Russian energy in the West are still tied to the mental baggage leftover from the Cold War?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TM Lutas</title>
		<link>http://www.transatlanticpolitics.com/2007/06/02/russia-if-we-cant-own-the-pipeline-well-control-the-faucet/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>TM Lutas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can count Romania out of any pro-Russia group. PEOP is already under construction and in a great surprise will also have a parallel gas line. They currently say it's going to ship gas east so that Romania will have an alternate supplier in case of Russian network problems but I wouldn't be surprised if there were gas interconnects with Nabucco and quiet plans to reverse the flow. If Gazprom refuses to ship gas based on political orders from Moscow, it's going to lose it's investment anywhere they try that garbage in Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can count Romania out of any pro-Russia group. PEOP is already under construction and in a great surprise will also have a parallel gas line. They currently say it&#8217;s going to ship gas east so that Romania will have an alternate supplier in case of Russian network problems but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there were gas interconnects with Nabucco and quiet plans to reverse the flow. If Gazprom refuses to ship gas based on political orders from Moscow, it&#8217;s going to lose it&#8217;s investment anywhere they try that garbage in Europe.</p>
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